Hello, I just wanted to know if this is a good or a bad webcomic (or somewhere in between), and why.
Hello, I just wanted to know if this is a good or a bad webcomic (or somewhere in between), and why.
I hate emo squirrels.
A veredict would be helpful.
Idunno, I'd recommend holding off on reviewing this comic for the time being. I haven't gotten to look through it all, but it looks, if not great, at least competently drawn with some OK writing. The font drives me crazy, I think it's kind of small, and I think it's a little drug out, but overall I don't know if it's the right fit for this site.
Alright, I just read through the whole comic, and… I'm not as certain, now, that we shouldn't have an article on it. I guess I think we should have an article on it, but not be wholly hateful.
The first problem I see is the writing: it needs edited badly. Words are doubled, omitted… sometimes whole clauses are left out. Other times, the speech is cluttered with needless information that makes it feel like a commercial. It's terribly unprofessional. On top of that, the characters have no background, the society lacks structure, there's no history (we don't even know if this is a colonized planet, an alternate history (the date is set to the 30's) or a wholly other world. Why are there humans and furries? How and why were there hippies two generations ago in any of these scenarios? So much is left undisclosed. She might have it in some section on the site, but the reader shouldn't have to hunt for information that should be in the comic itself.
Secondly, the psychology and politics are often ridiculous. That these other countries turned a blind eye to the genocide of an entire race, that a woman kills herself over her husband cheating on her, that there's only one human that isn't a raging racist.
On a broader issue, furries have beaten the "furries are a metaphor for racism in my comic" line to death. Even worse, the "humans are horrible, thoughtless racists" line is the cliche of bad ideas for anything, let alone a furry comic. This is so hackneyed….
And there's invisible devils following around the politicians? What the shit?
But, by far the most offensive thing, is a money making system to make Dresden Codak to shame. For every piece of art, wallpaper, side story comic (members only!) and even the pages of the basic fucking comic she demands a certain amount of donations. She's strong arming her fans. Shameful.
However… the comic isn't that bad. The story, if hackneyed in some respects, is over all decent. The characters are interesting (outside of their stupid names) even if not fully fleshed out. The art is really quite good (I remember Amanda Payne from back in the day, and had wondered what happened to her).
I guess this is a comic I'd actually want to help.
Corsair, I found that there is backstory for most of the characters, though not in the comic itself.
(It is here.)
I also found that the main comic updates not due to donations, but on a weekly basis (every Friday, apparently), and you don't need to be a member to see the sidestory pages that are already up. (In case you wanted to know.)
Anyway, most of the points you made I can agree on, they being the primary reason I wanted to check here for the opinion of others before making a review of it. (I am not going to make the review anymore, but if someone feels so inclined to do so, then knock yourself out.)
Alright, thanks for letting me know about the update schedule and the side stories. The backgrounds… I stick to my earlier assessment: important information should be in the comic. A good story is self-sufficient.
Alright, I wrote a review. I don't know how to link it to the Purgatory page or anything, so until Luigiian can get to it, you'll have to wait. I would appreciate proofreading and feedback. More than willing to make changes (especially if you can find out information on Amanda Payne or the comic's background that we can use.
All right Corsair, your comic review has been added to Purgatory. FYI, I'll have to do that for each comic review you guys make. It's just to make sure that nobody can get a sock puppet account and take out the front page. disregard that, the founding four members on this site are now all moderators. Corsair, Idunno, and Loxodrome now have the ability to edit all pages on the site. (Also: CompuCow, you're not showing up as a site member. What's up with that? You need to ask permission from me. I need all you guys man.)
Also, don't write your review under "New Page template." My mistake, I meant to say you need to click "Add a New Page", under which you need to select "New Page Template" from the drop down menu you're taken to. The information has been updated on the front page.
Don't give up on me yet guys, I'm trying as hard as I can to make sure things go smoothly here, but the site still has its navigation problems. If you have any other issues with the site, please put them in the forum in "Site Structure" section under "Navigation."
Regarding your review Corsair, I found a rather glaring spelling error, I will be correcting it soon. In addition, I just found that the comic immediately after that girl committed suicide indicated that she was already an unstable person, and that entity with the pink eyes (Ayzewi) was involved in her death. (One could easily overlook where it was, though) Anyway, just wanted to let you know, etc. On another note, I will probably work on a Ctrl+Alt+Del review (actually more like "start up a review and hope someone can make it better") when I have some free time.
Edit: On another note, should we really put that Encyclopedia Dramatica category in the default template? It feels more like something that would go in the links section of an article.
I'll read it when I'm not also watching Venture Brothers, as it's too wordy to read casually, but I don't see any reason at this point. A bit emo? Start seems to be. Bad? Don't see anything particularly bad about it, yet.
Also, I don't see any squirrels. Do you mean the skunk?
I edited out some glaring typos and got rid of most of your redundant commas without changing the content. Couple of questions, at the end it said "This comic really needs proofread", was that a joke or a mistake? And you ask if the comic is set on earth, an alternate reality or an alternate history. I'd just like to mention that THERE ARE GIANT TALKING ANIMALS. The internal consistency of the story aside I don't think it matters which of those you identify as being the comic's setting. That's not an excuse for having stupid, illogical, unbelievable things happening but the issue of when it's set isn't really that big a deal.
Finally, having a Purgatory page is totally pussying out. Either the comic sucks and it belongs on here where it is eviscerated or it doesn't and we leave it. There is no middle ground on the internet, haven't you read any youtube comments?
Your grammar isn't as good as you think and you don't know how to use commas properly. Or colons, at that. I'm going to go back in and fix things up a little.
Why would it be a joke or a mistake to say the comic needs proofread?
A fantasy element like made up races doesn't negate there being any reality in the comic, and the question of what sort of fantasy world the comic takes place in is relevant (especially when the author brings up the date right away). Lackadaisy is full of giant talking animals, but it's firmly set in the real prohibition era. More importantly, why bring up that it's the 1930's in the comic if you're going to shortly establish that there's no relation to real world time periods, and then never bring up the fantasy world's calendar again? It's shoddy writing.
This isn't /b/. We can have a middle ground if we want to. We can discuss getting rid of the purgatory page, but if we do, this review will simply be removed, not moved to an eviscerating section.
It would be a mistake because proofread is a verb. You put too many commas in. This is the /b/ad webcomics wiki it's serious business right?
Read: "This comic badly needs (to be) proofread." The omission is legitimate in casual usage.
Commas set apart clauses. You removed several that were doing just that. I'm not saying every comma I used needs to be there, but you went overboard.
Corsair, if we decide to remove the Purgatory your review will be moved to the First Circle of Hell. That's for mediocre comics. Your review sounds like the comic is somewhere in between those two regions. If it goes there it's not like we're saying that the comic is on the shittiness level of Boston & Shawn, we're saying it needs improvement. I expect Shortpacked! and Sluggy Freelance to go there too yet neither is absolutely horrific, they're just mediocre, just like the description of the region says.
Concepts like Purgatory are still on the line. I think I may delete the ED section of our tabling system if you guys feel like that's a good idea.
Corsair: I realize that you are a furry and therefore feel a connection with the fandom, but I will not let this site turn into CYD. We must be honest about these comics to be taken seriously. Nobody currently on the rolls here truly hates furries and nobody's yet trying to mount an insurrection across the fandom yet. They will not be allowed to. Insurrections against fandoms are stupid and if anybody's going to be stupid on this site, I will make certain it is not the site's writers.
I would have assumed the review would be left off the site if we got rid of purgatory simply because we made purgatory specifically because of this comic. If not for that section, as I recall, we were leaning toward not including this comic at all.
I'm confused as to how the furry thing even came up. I don't recall either of us making comments about the fandom in the forum here (if this is because I brought up Lackadaisy, I only used it as a parallel to illustrate that having a fantasy element like talking animal people doesn't automatically give license to throw reality out entirely). Was there something in the review that you feel came off as pro-furry? All I remember is mentioning that the artist was a furry.
OK, sorry Corsair. I am uncertain what to think of this comic.
I am not attempting to attack you, don't worry. I want to make quite clear that we will not be "pussying out", as Compu said, nor "eviscerating."
I was worried you would delete the review because you didn't want to see the comic get rightfully attacked. Apparently my hunch was wrong.
The only reason I was worried is not because the review seemed pro-furry, but because your reaction was slightly questionable. Nevermind.
I see Wrongside is going to be difficult to place. I will be feeling the same way when we get to the Suburban Jungle, starring Tiffany Tiger, and a few others.
Man, I still argue we should go after comics like Sabrina Online before we get to basically sound comics.
Like, for example, this one.
(Edit: I mean we need to review Kitsune Jewel because it sucks. Kitsune Jewel is not a "basically sound" webcomic.)
Hmmm, I agree… we should go attack Sabrina Online right away. Been so many years since I've looked at it, though… I doubt many of the problems have changed, though. Plus, there's so much to put down about the maker!